Flash was a mistake

<liborek3>flash was a mistake

It has a lot of perks, but it is a little strange that they keep showing it off with Ohira's original animation where it's really just destroying his brilliant expression and line art.

This is wrong on so many levels

Shinji Hashimoto worked on the film as well, they've got animators with tremendously interesting linework. These are a bit of a tragedy.

Shinya Ohira, Shinji Hashimoto, Izumi Murakami, Hokuto Sakiyama, Toya Oshima, Tomoyuki Niho

It's almost the full team and it is indeed a bit of a tragedy.

relyat08 said:
It has a lot of perks, but it is a little strange that they keep showing it off with Ohira's original animation where it's really just destroying his brilliant expression and line art.

Yeah, it is really strange. Like "Look how we downgraded this animation using computer technology!"

Is there a more tragic post on this site?

If Ghibli gets to do it, then why can't Saru get a pass?

I'm not really on either side here as I'm not sure what would be better for the vision of the movie, but this has been done before.

I guess the difference here is that Saru is being transparent about the process.

I'm afraid you guys don't really understand Japanese animation process.
Animation director is not Shinya Ohira. Animation director wants clean line, on-model characters, subtle expressions. He cannot clean up every drawing, but final animator, Flash animator in this case, respects the animation director decisions. Also the director of the film choosed clean lines, soft expression, he doesn't want to scare children and normal public. These are a chain of decisions, in making a whole film, not some random egocentric animator art patchwork.

Pajarikoo said:
I'm afraid you guys don't really understand Japanese animation process.
Animation director is not Shinya Ohira. Animation director wants clean line, on-model characters, subtle expressions. He cannot clean up every drawing, but final animator, Flash animator in this case, respects the animation director decisions. Also the director of the film choosed clean lines, soft expression, he doesn't want to scare children and normal public. These are a chain of decisions, in making a whole film, not some random egocentric animator art patchwork.

I don't know why you think people don't understand about AD and stuff. I think they just sad about Yuasa going with this clean flash aesthetic. Well, more about sacrificing style of animators like Ohira and Hashimoto (cuz Yuasa himself wasn't about "dirty" aesthetics).
I like how you said about "scaring children and normal public", it's funny. But don't you think Yuasa's deformed silhouettes will be already unappealing for this type of public?

These defenses aren't only a bit out of place, they're also detached from reality.

No, of course Ghibli has never produced something in this fashion. And no, the Japanese animation system doesn't inherently limit the key animator's expression - if anything it stands out for the exact opposite. And it's not an issue with the animation directors either; you can even see the corrections in there with the green sheets, and while they're not as idiosyncratic as the original drawings, they're still worlds apart from the inert vectors in the finished product. The only point that approaches the truth is that this is a conscious move by Yuasa, which of course it is! This isn't even something limited to Lu, more like the culmination of the path he's been taking the last few years. In one of the interviews about the movie he directly admitted that even people in the know would complain about Flash output that feels unnaturally clean...and laughed about it. This is by all means what he wants to make and I really respect his decision. He'll always be one of my favorite creators in the whole world, but that doesn't change how I feel about this. Even if you were right, which you aren't, no one here was blaming the animators. People thought that chain of decisions you're referring to made a bad move, particularly so considering how at odds it is with the key animators they chose to work with.

Man, this is sad