A lot of the character acting in this episode looks almost rotoscoped with how much detail and accuracy there is in the movement. (maybe it is?)

relyat08 said:
A lot of the character acting in this episode looks almost rotoscoped with how much detail and accuracy there is in the movement. (maybe it is?)

If you're partially referring to this cut, it doesn't look rotoscoped at all to me. It just looks to me like animation without the typical anime shortcuts.

Hitorio said:
If you're partially referring to this cut, it doesn't look rotoscoped at all to me. It just looks to me like animation without the typical anime shortcuts.

Yeah, that's what I figured. The whole episode just has a lot of really detailed and unusually precise character animation. None of it has the awkwardness of most rotoscoping though.

I don't know what any of you are talking about. This is fairly basic. These characters are moving from key pose to key pose with no extremes or breakdowns. There is no anticipation, follow-through, or overlapping action, things which are common in real life, which–for some reason–you are all praising this for supposedly emulating. It looks to me like the animator just copied the layout poses and sent them to be in-betweened, something which seems to be common in a lot of animated tv shows, both western and Japanese, as well as a lot of scenes in japanese animated movies.

oh, cool.
I'm mostly referring to how the entire body moves with each motion. Minko's hands aren't just ringing out the towel, her arms and elbows are making very deliberate natural(to me) movements in tandem, her head is bobbing slightly, her back and legs are reacting as if they are actually important to the process. All of that looks quite good to me. And not what I would call economic, or basic, work.

relyat08 said:
oh, cool.
I'm mostly referring to how the entire body moves with each motion. Minko's hands aren't just ringing out the towel, her arms and elbows are making very deliberate natural(to me) movements in tandem, her head is bobbing slightly, her back and legs are reacting as if they are actually important to the process. All of that looks quite good to me. And not what I would call economic, or basic, work.

So basically, you're praising them for not moving one or two body parts at a time? that's not at all difficult or praiseworthy.

ihhh said:
any of you

ihhh said:
you are all

Who are these multiple people you're referring to?

Also, ihhh, even though relyat might've misjudged the scene and even though you have a more seasoned understanding of movement, do understand that he is impressed with the relative detail of the movements in this cut compared to whatever he's been exposed to prior to this. "basic," "difficult," "praiseworthy" - these are all subjective opinion terms. You're not impressed. He is. Let us respect each others' journeys.

ihhh said:
So basically, you're praising them for not moving one or two body parts at a time? that's not at all difficult or praiseworthy.

The majority of character animation I see in TV anime is very economic and does only move one or two body parts at a time, so it does seem praiseworthy to me, when I see work that attempts to convey more complete human motion. I like how this clip moves. Sorry you're so bothered by that? O.o

Hitorio said:
Who are these multiple people you're referring to?

The other commenters, obviously.

"basic," "difficult," "praiseworthy" - these are all subjective opinion terms. You're not impressed. He is. Let us respect each others' journeys.

Let me express my opinion. No one else seems to be annoyed.

ihhh said:
The other commenters, obviously.

There was one person making the point you replied to.

ihhh said:
Let me express my opinion. No one else seems to be annoyed.

Sure, as long as you don't try to "correct" someone else's opinion with your own, as you did with relyat (and that I'm later finding out you're doing on several posts)... who seems bewildered that you're responding to him in a snobbish fashion.

Impoliteness aside, I think part of the disconnect is that ihhh seems to be looking more at Ohana and relyat at Minko. I think it's natural to notice Ohana first due to the lighting and eyecatching blonde and green color palette, but Ohana does go very simply from pose to pose like ihhh is talking about. Minko on the other hand has more of the kind of detail relyat is talking about, but she's kinda in the shadow and in more faded colors.

Kinda makes me wonder why the animator put that much detail into a character who isn't the focus of the shot. Maybe I'm missing some context, but it looks like Ohana's body language is supposed to be more important to the content of the scene.

(But then, those poses don't really call for super detailed or nuanced animation, do they? Seems perfectly effective as-is. Maybe that was the animator's thinking.)

Yeah, I was totally looking at Minko. haha
If you're watching Ohana, I can see the complaints, but like you said, it's not like her movement was very complex to begin with and I think that portraying her like that might have been part of the goal to begin with. I think Minko was supposed to be the focus in this clip, but the framing was likely trying to convey something about their personalities in general. Minko is much more proper and dignified, and pays a lot of attention to little details, while Ohana is a bit awkward and is still uncomfortable in this new place. Anyway, I think it's a pretty neat piece of animation. :)

Same. The low-key stuff is maybe a bit under-appreciated, but it can make a difference in a show. Remember this one from New Game? https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/24746

Haha, I was just looking at that earlier after reading news about the 2nd season being greenlit. The discussion there was similarly interesting.